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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://blogspot.theinvisiblechurch.ca/2009/10/26/the-command-of-assembly/comment-page-1/#comment-615</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[its ridiculous!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its ridiculous!</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://blogspot.theinvisiblechurch.ca/2009/10/26/the-command-of-assembly/comment-page-1/#comment-613</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It helps with the business of the corporation....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It helps with the business of the corporation&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://blogspot.theinvisiblechurch.ca/2009/10/26/the-command-of-assembly/comment-page-1/#comment-611</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why is it that churches say that the state can not infringe on their rights, base on being a church. But then use the tax-exempt status given by the government?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that churches say that the state can not infringe on their rights, base on being a church. But then use the tax-exempt status given by the government?</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://blogspot.theinvisiblechurch.ca/2009/10/26/the-command-of-assembly/comment-page-1/#comment-610</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re-opened for more some more info.

http://hushmoney.org/incorporate-facts.htm

&lt;em&gt;Rome persecuted the Christians not for Who they worshipped. Rome had hundreds of deities, and they could care less who or what you worshipped, as long as you were &quot;licit&quot; (licensed). The church was persecuted not because they worshipped Jesus Christ, but because of the manner in which they functioned -- an ecclesia. The church was declared to be &quot;illicit,&quot; and held in a state of &quot;civil disobedience,&quot; because of their refusal to incorporate. Why did the church refuse incorporation? Largely because they knew that it would destroy their testimony that Jesus Christ is &quot;Lord&quot; and &quot;Sovereign.&quot; 

Under Roman civil law, &quot;Caesar is sovereign over the corporation,&quot; and &quot;the corporation is a creature of the State.&quot; The early church willingly suffered for its refusal to accept &quot;State privileges and benefits.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Did Bunyan incorporate? No. 
Did Watson incorporate? No. 
Did Whitefield incorporate? No.

On the other hand, 
Did the RC church incorporate? Yes. 
Did Macarthur incorporate? Yes. 
Did Piper incorporate? Yes. 
Did Lawson incorporate? Yes.

It&#039;s just lipstick on the harlot....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re-opened for more some more info.</p>
<p><a href="http://hushmoney.org/incorporate-facts.htm" rel="nofollow">http://hushmoney.org/incorporate-facts.htm</a></p>
<p><em>Rome persecuted the Christians not for Who they worshipped. Rome had hundreds of deities, and they could care less who or what you worshipped, as long as you were &#8220;licit&#8221; (licensed). The church was persecuted not because they worshipped Jesus Christ, but because of the manner in which they functioned &#8212; an ecclesia. The church was declared to be &#8220;illicit,&#8221; and held in a state of &#8220;civil disobedience,&#8221; because of their refusal to incorporate. Why did the church refuse incorporation? Largely because they knew that it would destroy their testimony that Jesus Christ is &#8220;Lord&#8221; and &#8220;Sovereign.&#8221; </p>
<p>Under Roman civil law, &#8220;Caesar is sovereign over the corporation,&#8221; and &#8220;the corporation is a creature of the State.&#8221; The early church willingly suffered for its refusal to accept &#8220;State privileges and benefits.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Did Bunyan incorporate? No.<br />
Did Watson incorporate? No.<br />
Did Whitefield incorporate? No.</p>
<p>On the other hand,<br />
Did the RC church incorporate? Yes.<br />
Did Macarthur incorporate? Yes.<br />
Did Piper incorporate? Yes.<br />
Did Lawson incorporate? Yes.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just lipstick on the harlot&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://blogspot.theinvisiblechurch.ca/2009/10/26/the-command-of-assembly/comment-page-1/#comment-608</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.cfbcmobile.org/site/cpage.asp?cpage_id=114&amp;sec_id=377&amp;nc=1257445044133

&lt;em&gt;“The name of this Corporation is Christ Fellowship Baptist Church. It is a Alabama nonprofit religious Corporation with its principal offices in Mobile, Alabama.”&lt;/em&gt;

Compare this to:
http://ecclesia.org/truth/501-church.html

&lt;em&gt;1. &quot;A corporation is a creature of the state. It is presumed to be incorporated for the benefit of the public. It receives certain special privileges and franchises and holds them subject to the laws of the state and the limitation of its charter. Its powers are limited by law. It can make no contract not authorized by its charter. Its rights to act as a corporation are only preserved to it so long as it obeys the laws of its creation. There is a reserved right in the legislature to investigate its contracts and ascertain if it has exceeded its powers&quot; (Hale v. Henkel, 201 U.S. 43). 

3. &quot;A corporation derives its existence and all of its powers from the State and, therefore, has only such powers as the State has conferred upon it. Power is used here to mean the legal capacity to execute and fulfill the objects and purposes for which the corporation was created, and the source of this power is the charter and the statute under which the corporation was organized.&quot; Len Young Smith and G. Gale Roberson, Smith and Roberson&#039;s Business Law, West Publishing Company, 1966, page 796. 

&quot;Note: A corporation is created by, and derives its existence from, the State. In contrast, the church is created by, a creature of, derives its existence from, subject to, and obeys the Law of, Jesus Christ. &quot;&lt;/em&gt;


With that I will close the thread.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.cfbcmobile.org/site/cpage.asp?cpage_id=114&#038;sec_id=377&#038;nc=1257445044133" rel="nofollow">http://www.cfbcmobile.org/site/cpage.asp?cpage_id=114&#038;sec_id=377&#038;nc=1257445044133</a></p>
<p><em>“The name of this Corporation is Christ Fellowship Baptist Church. It is a Alabama nonprofit religious Corporation with its principal offices in Mobile, Alabama.”</em></p>
<p>Compare this to:<br />
<a href="http://ecclesia.org/truth/501-church.html" rel="nofollow">http://ecclesia.org/truth/501-church.html</a></p>
<p><em>1. &#8220;A corporation is a creature of the state. It is presumed to be incorporated for the benefit of the public. It receives certain special privileges and franchises and holds them subject to the laws of the state and the limitation of its charter. Its powers are limited by law. It can make no contract not authorized by its charter. Its rights to act as a corporation are only preserved to it so long as it obeys the laws of its creation. There is a reserved right in the legislature to investigate its contracts and ascertain if it has exceeded its powers&#8221; (Hale v. Henkel, 201 U.S. 43). </p>
<p>3. &#8220;A corporation derives its existence and all of its powers from the State and, therefore, has only such powers as the State has conferred upon it. Power is used here to mean the legal capacity to execute and fulfill the objects and purposes for which the corporation was created, and the source of this power is the charter and the statute under which the corporation was organized.&#8221; Len Young Smith and G. Gale Roberson, Smith and Roberson&#8217;s Business Law, West Publishing Company, 1966, page 796. </p>
<p>&#8220;Note: A corporation is created by, and derives its existence from, the State. In contrast, the church is created by, a creature of, derives its existence from, subject to, and obeys the Law of, Jesus Christ. &#8220;</em></p>
<p>With that I will close the thread&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: melissa</title>
		<link>http://blogspot.theinvisiblechurch.ca/2009/10/26/the-command-of-assembly/comment-page-1/#comment-607</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I will do that...and you do likewise....and believe me it wasnt in vain and the Lord has already used it in a few ways....Thanks Lee]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will do that&#8230;and you do likewise&#8230;.and believe me it wasnt in vain and the Lord has already used it in a few ways&#8230;.Thanks Lee</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://blogspot.theinvisiblechurch.ca/2009/10/26/the-command-of-assembly/comment-page-1/#comment-606</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just do me one favour. Remember this conversation.... that it be not in vain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just do me one favour. Remember this conversation&#8230;. that it be not in vain.</p>
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		<title>By: melissa</title>
		<link>http://blogspot.theinvisiblechurch.ca/2009/10/26/the-command-of-assembly/comment-page-1/#comment-605</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Lee,
First i want to thank you for the conversation and information...I really wanted to know where you were coming from before just assuming anything about you...
and God totally used this conversation to remind me that He has given me a day to be with Him and I have not done with what I should..with that said, I know that scripture tells us to examine ourselves as to whether we are in the faith (2Cor) and scripture tells us how to be sure that we are His, that we are not deceived by ourselves or by Satan...I see in scripture that we will know by: our love for God: Luke 10:27, Rom 8:7, we are trusting on Christ as our Lord and Savior Rom 10:9, too many to list , we are living a life of repentance 2 Cor 7:10...genuine humility (including accepting correction in where we are wrong) matt5: 1-12, we are in continuous prayer, Luke 18:1, Eph 6:18, 1Tim 2:1-4, we have selfless love 1 John 2:9, 3:14, 4:7, we hunger for the Word of God 1 Peter2: 1-3, and we have a transformed life, 2 Cor 5:17. I am sure I could go on and on but nowhere in scripture have I seen the requirements you put forth: trust never failing (remember Peter), saying you are 100% ungodly after being filled with the Holy Spirit (psalm 32:6 is only one of the many passages that seperate the godly from the ungodly), refering to Christ as husband in your speech when He is called Lord many times more as well as many other names, leaving the visible church (you do know this is a mans interpretation of end time prophecy) not attending seminary, God saves Lee, not what school you go to, many pastors are saved after becoming a pastor, that the Lords business. The word says you will know them by their fruits and these are the ways that I judge...by scripture and what its says...if the fruit of your ministry is bitter and sour and having disdain for the lost and judging believers on things such as what they are watching on  television (because that could be a sin they are in) then that is not godly, good fruit...Spurgeon had a mouthful to say on the people in the brethren movement not having love and I would tend to agree with him somewhat....as for your comment about Lawson and Macarthur being famous and well received I can assure you they are not...Joel Osteen, Rick Warren and the like are more in line with what you are saying...what you call famous and well received is relative to the other men in ministry...
but again, I do not need to defend either of these men, the Word of the Lord will judge them. Nowhere does it say in scripture that you are to be hated by Christians to be truly saved...I do not claim to know the end time events, I have an idea of what things are looking like but I do not focus my entirety on the prophecy of the end times...I do not put that above Christ and His redeeming work...I do not boast in end times but in the cross... just be very sure that you have the right interpretation of end time events since you are telling others how to live their life based on it...and anyone basing their decisions on your words should be sure they agree with your reasons..it needs to be the Lord leading them and not man.....Thanks for the time you have given me.... In His name and Love.....Melissa]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lee,<br />
First i want to thank you for the conversation and information&#8230;I really wanted to know where you were coming from before just assuming anything about you&#8230;<br />
and God totally used this conversation to remind me that He has given me a day to be with Him and I have not done with what I should..with that said, I know that scripture tells us to examine ourselves as to whether we are in the faith (2Cor) and scripture tells us how to be sure that we are His, that we are not deceived by ourselves or by Satan&#8230;I see in scripture that we will know by: our love for God: Luke 10:27, Rom 8:7, we are trusting on Christ as our Lord and Savior Rom 10:9, too many to list , we are living a life of repentance 2 Cor 7:10&#8230;genuine humility (including accepting correction in where we are wrong) matt5: 1-12, we are in continuous prayer, Luke 18:1, Eph 6:18, 1Tim 2:1-4, we have selfless love 1 John 2:9, 3:14, 4:7, we hunger for the Word of God 1 Peter2: 1-3, and we have a transformed life, 2 Cor 5:17. I am sure I could go on and on but nowhere in scripture have I seen the requirements you put forth: trust never failing (remember Peter), saying you are 100% ungodly after being filled with the Holy Spirit (psalm 32:6 is only one of the many passages that seperate the godly from the ungodly), refering to Christ as husband in your speech when He is called Lord many times more as well as many other names, leaving the visible church (you do know this is a mans interpretation of end time prophecy) not attending seminary, God saves Lee, not what school you go to, many pastors are saved after becoming a pastor, that the Lords business. The word says you will know them by their fruits and these are the ways that I judge&#8230;by scripture and what its says&#8230;if the fruit of your ministry is bitter and sour and having disdain for the lost and judging believers on things such as what they are watching on  television (because that could be a sin they are in) then that is not godly, good fruit&#8230;Spurgeon had a mouthful to say on the people in the brethren movement not having love and I would tend to agree with him somewhat&#8230;.as for your comment about Lawson and Macarthur being famous and well received I can assure you they are not&#8230;Joel Osteen, Rick Warren and the like are more in line with what you are saying&#8230;what you call famous and well received is relative to the other men in ministry&#8230;<br />
but again, I do not need to defend either of these men, the Word of the Lord will judge them. Nowhere does it say in scripture that you are to be hated by Christians to be truly saved&#8230;I do not claim to know the end time events, I have an idea of what things are looking like but I do not focus my entirety on the prophecy of the end times&#8230;I do not put that above Christ and His redeeming work&#8230;I do not boast in end times but in the cross&#8230; just be very sure that you have the right interpretation of end time events since you are telling others how to live their life based on it&#8230;and anyone basing their decisions on your words should be sure they agree with your reasons..it needs to be the Lord leading them and not man&#8230;..Thanks for the time you have given me&#8230;. In His name and Love&#8230;..Melissa</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://blogspot.theinvisiblechurch.ca/2009/10/26/the-command-of-assembly/comment-page-1/#comment-604</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...do you really think there are churches out there that are sound?&quot;

I have visited one on the other side of the country, but the 90+ year old pastor has since died. I also know of a couple house churches where there is sound fellowship. So yes there is the possibility, but as we get nearer to the coming of Christ (whatever that actual date may be), the possibility/probability is approaching zero.

If one has graduated from seminary (I prefer cemetary), it is near impossible for them to be a Christian. Yet these are the people who are charged with leading congregations. The universalist/unitarians overran the seminaries in the 1920&#039;s. That unbelief has been fostered for a couple generations and voila, here we are.

One of the prominent signs of this is both of our countries being turned nearly entirely over to sodomy. This is a judgment of the Lord, meant to be stuffed in the face of all who profess to be Christian to humble us. It is not a rallying cry to go out and preach against sodomy, but a cry to preach against that which professes to be the church. Yet churches everywhere will band together to preach against sodomy when the FULL cause of the degradation of society to that point rests with that which professes to be the church. When the Lord turns entire countries (let alone the entire world) over to sodomy, you can well know that that which passes for the visible church is not His. The more famous and well received they are by the visible church (hence Macarthur, Lawson etc) the less likely they are to be Christ&#039;s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;do you really think there are churches out there that are sound?&#8221;</p>
<p>I have visited one on the other side of the country, but the 90+ year old pastor has since died. I also know of a couple house churches where there is sound fellowship. So yes there is the possibility, but as we get nearer to the coming of Christ (whatever that actual date may be), the possibility/probability is approaching zero.</p>
<p>If one has graduated from seminary (I prefer cemetary), it is near impossible for them to be a Christian. Yet these are the people who are charged with leading congregations. The universalist/unitarians overran the seminaries in the 1920&#8242;s. That unbelief has been fostered for a couple generations and voila, here we are.</p>
<p>One of the prominent signs of this is both of our countries being turned nearly entirely over to sodomy. This is a judgment of the Lord, meant to be stuffed in the face of all who profess to be Christian to humble us. It is not a rallying cry to go out and preach against sodomy, but a cry to preach against that which professes to be the church. Yet churches everywhere will band together to preach against sodomy when the FULL cause of the degradation of society to that point rests with that which professes to be the church. When the Lord turns entire countries (let alone the entire world) over to sodomy, you can well know that that which passes for the visible church is not His. The more famous and well received they are by the visible church (hence Macarthur, Lawson etc) the less likely they are to be Christ&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Question:
&quot;I have a question for you while I am looking into the things you have presented….do you think a person that does not accept the end time prophecy as put forth by you (Larkin, Darby whoever) is not truly saved?&quot;

Answer:
They could be saved, but they are going to have a whole lot of trouble figuring out what is going on. Very little with regards to the endtimes will make sense to them. Conversely, there are those who have a reasonable understanding of what is happening yet still don&#039;t know Christ. This is the time of deception, and the deception is only to grow....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question:<br />
&#8220;I have a question for you while I am looking into the things you have presented….do you think a person that does not accept the end time prophecy as put forth by you (Larkin, Darby whoever) is not truly saved?&#8221;</p>
<p>Answer:<br />
They could be saved, but they are going to have a whole lot of trouble figuring out what is going on. Very little with regards to the endtimes will make sense to them. Conversely, there are those who have a reasonable understanding of what is happening yet still don&#8217;t know Christ. This is the time of deception, and the deception is only to grow&#8230;.</p>
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