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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://blogspot.theinvisiblechurch.ca/2009/08/03/the-definition-of-a-carnal-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-411</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Randy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Randy.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://blogspot.theinvisiblechurch.ca/2009/08/03/the-definition-of-a-carnal-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-396</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 03:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi...

In reference to Solomon, I find it interesting that he is the one who was chosen to build the temple. I know that almost all of us look at the temple in Jerusalem as his finished accomplishment.     But..... I think I may see a blueprint in proverbs chapter 7 that shows what the carnel christian gets his roots. 

Proverbs Chapter 7

What if Proverbs is exactly what it says it is ?
That would be proverbs, correct? Wouldn&#039;t that mean that the face value of the writing is not really the point?, but rather that it is inferring to a much deeper meaning that is hidden. Almost anyone with the ability to read can read proverbs chapter 7 at face value and understand it in its natural sense.

Solomon says a wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsel; to understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark (hidden) sayings.

Proverbs: Chapter 7
1: My son, keep my words, and lay up my commandments with thee. 2: Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye. 3: Bind them upon thy fingers, write them upon the table of thine heart. 4: Say unto wisdom, Thou art my sister; and call understanding thy kinswoman: 5: That they may keep thee from the strange woman, from the stranger which flattereth with her words. 6: For at the window of my house I looked through my casement, 7: And beheld among the simple ones, I discerned among the youths, a young man void of understanding,

(What if the simple one was you?)



8: Passing through the street near her corner; and he went the way to her house, 9: In the twilight, in the evening, in the black and dark night: 10: And, behold, there met him a woman with the attire of an harlot, and subtil of heart. 11: She is loud and stubborn; her feet abide not in her house: 12: Now is she without, now in the streets, and lieth in wait at every corner.

(What if this is the voice coming from the Harlot Church .) Aren&#039;t organized, institutional, religious churches usually on a corner?
Think about it.

13: So she caught him, and kissed him, and with an impudent face said unto him, 14: I have peace offerings with me; this day have I payed my vows. 15: Therefore came I forth to meet thee, diligently to seek thy face, and I have found thee. 

(What if this meant &quot;I&#039;ve been ordained and have a religious &quot; Title&quot; that proves it! and I&#039;m out evangelizing for my church:) (&quot;organized, institutional, religion&quot;)

16: I have decked my bed with coverings of tapestry, with carved works, with fine linen of Egypt. 17: I have perfumed my bed with myrrh, aloes, and cinnamon. 18: Come, let us take our fill of love until the morning: let us solace ourselves with loves. 

(What if this meant : I know the needs you have, I have needs too, and I have prepared something that I know will really satisfy the inward depths of your soul.)...an imitation of the real thing.. (&quot;organized, institutional, religion&quot; )

19: For the good man is not at home, he is gone a long journey: 20: He hath taken a bag of money with him, and will come home at the day appointed. 

(What if this meant Jesus is not here right now. He has gone on a long journey and taken some of his wages {the first fruits of saints he redeemed at His resurrection} and He won&#039;t be back until the time appointed by God. and didn&#039;t Jesus also say &quot;There is none good but God&quot; ? Could this also mean the good man is Jesus?)



21: With her much fair speech she caused him to yield, with the flattering of her lips she forced him. 

(What if this meant that the &quot;organized, institutional, religious person with the &quot;Title&quot; compelled you by their artful speech to become one of it&#039;s members? )

22: He goeth after her straightway, as an ox goeth to the slaughter, or as a fool to the correction of the stocks; 23: Till a dart strike through his liver; as a bird hasteth to the snare, and knoweth not that it is for his life. 24: Hearken unto me now therefore, O ye children, and attend to the words of my mouth. 25: Let not thine heart decline to her ways, go not astray in her paths.26: For she hath cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her. 

(Do you remember where Jesus spoke of the man that had been beaten by robbers and left wounded on the road? He was taken to the inn-keeper and oil and wine were poured in his wounds,.....and the inn-keeper was asked to look after him....{The good samaritan - The true neighbor- which seems as though it could be Jesus Himself} said if he owes for anything else it would be paid for when He returned. It would seem that Innkeeper could very well be the Holy Spirit.)

27: Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death. 

(Yes, what if it was you)
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Just thought I would share this with you.  You have a wonderful message in your blog.  Thank you,

Have a great day in Jesus 



                             Randy]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi&#8230;</p>
<p>In reference to Solomon, I find it interesting that he is the one who was chosen to build the temple. I know that almost all of us look at the temple in Jerusalem as his finished accomplishment.     But&#8230;.. I think I may see a blueprint in proverbs chapter 7 that shows what the carnel christian gets his roots. </p>
<p>Proverbs Chapter 7</p>
<p>What if Proverbs is exactly what it says it is ?<br />
That would be proverbs, correct? Wouldn&#8217;t that mean that the face value of the writing is not really the point?, but rather that it is inferring to a much deeper meaning that is hidden. Almost anyone with the ability to read can read proverbs chapter 7 at face value and understand it in its natural sense.</p>
<p>Solomon says a wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsel; to understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark (hidden) sayings.</p>
<p>Proverbs: Chapter 7<br />
1: My son, keep my words, and lay up my commandments with thee. 2: Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye. 3: Bind them upon thy fingers, write them upon the table of thine heart. 4: Say unto wisdom, Thou art my sister; and call understanding thy kinswoman: 5: That they may keep thee from the strange woman, from the stranger which flattereth with her words. 6: For at the window of my house I looked through my casement, 7: And beheld among the simple ones, I discerned among the youths, a young man void of understanding,</p>
<p>(What if the simple one was you?)</p>
<p>8: Passing through the street near her corner; and he went the way to her house, 9: In the twilight, in the evening, in the black and dark night: 10: And, behold, there met him a woman with the attire of an harlot, and subtil of heart. 11: She is loud and stubborn; her feet abide not in her house: 12: Now is she without, now in the streets, and lieth in wait at every corner.</p>
<p>(What if this is the voice coming from the Harlot Church .) Aren&#8217;t organized, institutional, religious churches usually on a corner?<br />
Think about it.</p>
<p>13: So she caught him, and kissed him, and with an impudent face said unto him, 14: I have peace offerings with me; this day have I payed my vows. 15: Therefore came I forth to meet thee, diligently to seek thy face, and I have found thee. </p>
<p>(What if this meant &#8220;I&#8217;ve been ordained and have a religious &#8221; Title&#8221; that proves it! and I&#8217;m out evangelizing for my church:) (&#8220;organized, institutional, religion&#8221;)</p>
<p>16: I have decked my bed with coverings of tapestry, with carved works, with fine linen of Egypt. 17: I have perfumed my bed with myrrh, aloes, and cinnamon. 18: Come, let us take our fill of love until the morning: let us solace ourselves with loves. </p>
<p>(What if this meant : I know the needs you have, I have needs too, and I have prepared something that I know will really satisfy the inward depths of your soul.)&#8230;an imitation of the real thing.. (&#8220;organized, institutional, religion&#8221; )</p>
<p>19: For the good man is not at home, he is gone a long journey: 20: He hath taken a bag of money with him, and will come home at the day appointed. </p>
<p>(What if this meant Jesus is not here right now. He has gone on a long journey and taken some of his wages {the first fruits of saints he redeemed at His resurrection} and He won&#8217;t be back until the time appointed by God. and didn&#8217;t Jesus also say &#8220;There is none good but God&#8221; ? Could this also mean the good man is Jesus?)</p>
<p>21: With her much fair speech she caused him to yield, with the flattering of her lips she forced him. </p>
<p>(What if this meant that the &#8220;organized, institutional, religious person with the &#8220;Title&#8221; compelled you by their artful speech to become one of it&#8217;s members? )</p>
<p>22: He goeth after her straightway, as an ox goeth to the slaughter, or as a fool to the correction of the stocks; 23: Till a dart strike through his liver; as a bird hasteth to the snare, and knoweth not that it is for his life. 24: Hearken unto me now therefore, O ye children, and attend to the words of my mouth. 25: Let not thine heart decline to her ways, go not astray in her paths.26: For she hath cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her. </p>
<p>(Do you remember where Jesus spoke of the man that had been beaten by robbers and left wounded on the road? He was taken to the inn-keeper and oil and wine were poured in his wounds,&#8230;..and the inn-keeper was asked to look after him&#8230;.{The good samaritan &#8211; The true neighbor- which seems as though it could be Jesus Himself} said if he owes for anything else it would be paid for when He returned. It would seem that Innkeeper could very well be the Holy Spirit.)</p>
<p>27: Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death. </p>
<p>(Yes, what if it was you)<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Just thought I would share this with you.  You have a wonderful message in your blog.  Thank you,</p>
<p>Have a great day in Jesus </p>
<p>                             Randy</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://blogspot.theinvisiblechurch.ca/2009/08/03/the-definition-of-a-carnal-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-310</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Lee for your encouragement...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Lee for your encouragement&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://blogspot.theinvisiblechurch.ca/2009/08/03/the-definition-of-a-carnal-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-297</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t give up, there is always a wilderness before the promised land!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t give up, there is always a wilderness before the promised land!</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://blogspot.theinvisiblechurch.ca/2009/08/03/the-definition-of-a-carnal-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-296</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know there is no answer...more of a rhetorical question because the Lord works the way He chooses. Its frustrating to always seek, to knock, to ask...it has been a long time in doing this...and not getting anywhere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know there is no answer&#8230;more of a rhetorical question because the Lord works the way He chooses. Its frustrating to always seek, to knock, to ask&#8230;it has been a long time in doing this&#8230;and not getting anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike

I have travelled that road, and am not sure there is anything I could say to add to that. All that is left now is simply to ask Him.


Luke 11:9-13

9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.

10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?

12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?

13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike</p>
<p>I have travelled that road, and am not sure there is anything I could say to add to that. All that is left now is simply to ask Him.</p>
<p>Luke 11:9-13</p>
<p>9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.</p>
<p>10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.</p>
<p>11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?</p>
<p>12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?</p>
<p>13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://blogspot.theinvisiblechurch.ca/2009/08/03/the-definition-of-a-carnal-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-292</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 00:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The more i thought about this, honestly, the angered I got. Because I think I was confronted with something...my pride.  I realized that I tried so hard not to look carnal, and make sure I &quot;looked&quot; justified. My pride wanted me to look  a certain and act a certain...but it was all smoke and mirrors. Realizing I don&#039;t know anything, realizing that I was following &quot;dead theologians&quot; emphasized a certain stigma within Christianity.  My whole view on a carnal christian was based on my own insecurities and pride.  I thought if I was more spiritual and better than the rest, within the context of what was happening in the Corinthian church, then I am spiritual! I mean I was eating meat, I was studying the word, reading from the &quot;dead theologians&quot; things were great...esthetically. But inside was a mess. My mind conjured up a attitude by proofing I was not a sinner like the Corinthians, because that would me two things: either, they are lost since they are carnal, meaning then maybe it is a possibility for me. Or I am just as carnal like them, and in desperate need more milk. I didn&#039;t know what was worse salvation or not being carnal.  Many in Christianity make you feel less learned because you don&#039;t go to a seminary, you didn&#039;t know the Five points of Calvin, read the works of Luther, Edwards,  Aquinas, Watson and so on. Knowing about the history of the manuscripts. Its an overload!! I strived to know this, to have the right books, thus making me &quot;feel&quot; good. But reality I wasn&#039;t and didn&#039;t learn a whole lot.  I want to know Christ, the reality of Christ. not from what others have read, but from His....His word. to have my spirit re kindled again like my past...now I am an old stuffy shirt, boring, drap and boring. I so much want to SEE Christ...I am tired of searching for more of Him, I can&#039;t find it from others...I just hope I still am able to continue. I want to forget all the other stuff and just meet Him with all my heart. I just can&#039;t move forward anymore....

Well my rant is over...I don&#039;t know what to do next, but admit that I am carnal and in need of His spirit.

Mike]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more i thought about this, honestly, the angered I got. Because I think I was confronted with something&#8230;my pride.  I realized that I tried so hard not to look carnal, and make sure I &#8220;looked&#8221; justified. My pride wanted me to look  a certain and act a certain&#8230;but it was all smoke and mirrors. Realizing I don&#8217;t know anything, realizing that I was following &#8220;dead theologians&#8221; emphasized a certain stigma within Christianity.  My whole view on a carnal christian was based on my own insecurities and pride.  I thought if I was more spiritual and better than the rest, within the context of what was happening in the Corinthian church, then I am spiritual! I mean I was eating meat, I was studying the word, reading from the &#8220;dead theologians&#8221; things were great&#8230;esthetically. But inside was a mess. My mind conjured up a attitude by proofing I was not a sinner like the Corinthians, because that would me two things: either, they are lost since they are carnal, meaning then maybe it is a possibility for me. Or I am just as carnal like them, and in desperate need more milk. I didn&#8217;t know what was worse salvation or not being carnal.  Many in Christianity make you feel less learned because you don&#8217;t go to a seminary, you didn&#8217;t know the Five points of Calvin, read the works of Luther, Edwards,  Aquinas, Watson and so on. Knowing about the history of the manuscripts. Its an overload!! I strived to know this, to have the right books, thus making me &#8220;feel&#8221; good. But reality I wasn&#8217;t and didn&#8217;t learn a whole lot.  I want to know Christ, the reality of Christ. not from what others have read, but from His&#8230;.His word. to have my spirit re kindled again like my past&#8230;now I am an old stuffy shirt, boring, drap and boring. I so much want to SEE Christ&#8230;I am tired of searching for more of Him, I can&#8217;t find it from others&#8230;I just hope I still am able to continue. I want to forget all the other stuff and just meet Him with all my heart. I just can&#8217;t move forward anymore&#8230;.</p>
<p>Well my rant is over&#8230;I don&#8217;t know what to do next, but admit that I am carnal and in need of His spirit.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 03:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jean

Might I just say, that is about as humble a confession as I have ever heard. 

Also note, a hint as we go further into part II, humility is the only grace of God for which the devil and the flesh have no close counterfeit. False humility is just so sickeningly obvious, whereas true humility is one of the signs of a child of God.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jean</p>
<p>Might I just say, that is about as humble a confession as I have ever heard. </p>
<p>Also note, a hint as we go further into part II, humility is the only grace of God for which the devil and the flesh have no close counterfeit. False humility is just so sickeningly obvious, whereas true humility is one of the signs of a child of God.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After much thought and going to the word and examining all you said with scripture, I have realised that my definition of Carnal Christian was indeed false. 
Not only that, I have learnt something about myself. I think I may be leaning more towards being carnal now than I was when I thought I was carnal. I am mortified by what the Lord has revealed to me about myself. My faith is weaker than when I was just a babe in Christ. In my day to day life, my trust in God in everything seems to have sort of gone down. I use human reason so often than putting my trust in God in everything I do, think or say. I am not practising any outward gross sins or anything, but my faith is not as strong as it used to be. I am walking more in the flesh than in the Spirit. May God restore me and lead me in the right path! Thank you Lee for this post, I am actually saddened by what I have discovered about myself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After much thought and going to the word and examining all you said with scripture, I have realised that my definition of Carnal Christian was indeed false.<br />
Not only that, I have learnt something about myself. I think I may be leaning more towards being carnal now than I was when I thought I was carnal. I am mortified by what the Lord has revealed to me about myself. My faith is weaker than when I was just a babe in Christ. In my day to day life, my trust in God in everything seems to have sort of gone down. I use human reason so often than putting my trust in God in everything I do, think or say. I am not practising any outward gross sins or anything, but my faith is not as strong as it used to be. I am walking more in the flesh than in the Spirit. May God restore me and lead me in the right path! Thank you Lee for this post, I am actually saddened by what I have discovered about myself.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://blogspot.theinvisiblechurch.ca/2009/08/03/the-definition-of-a-carnal-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-241</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lee wrote: &quot;Carnality simply exalts reason at the expense of faith. That is why the carnal man prefers to learn of men and associate themselves that way, rather than of the Holy Spirit.&quot;

that make sense...I can see the point you are making.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee wrote: &#8220;Carnality simply exalts reason at the expense of faith. That is why the carnal man prefers to learn of men and associate themselves that way, rather than of the Holy Spirit.&#8221;</p>
<p>that make sense&#8230;I can see the point you are making.</p>
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